Every good thing in my life is also matched by an equal or greater number of opportunities to ruin it by taking my own knowledge of good and bad. “Someday, I will return to visit.” She turned and walked down the hillside. this painting will not be on it but if you would like to see it send me an e mail artbycdy@gmail.com, Sexual Dysfunctions of Zeronious (Short Story). We want life to make sense. I think the garden narrative is telling you what we need around here is a human who's one with the Creator who can truly become that partner. Sacred trees, the top high places where either the gods are the tree, like in Egypt or Canaanite culture, Asherah, (fertility goddess) symbolized by ritual trees on high places. It looks good but God said that will kill me. The older of the two books is The Giving Tree, by Shel Silverstein. Jon: People are trees - to be a metaphor? Sometimes it doesn’t. Jon: Because God said you could eat from any of them. From the very beginning, the Tale of the Two Trees symbolized the Word of God: his blessing and his curse. “What a juicy apple! Okay, yeah, thank you. Shrewd. It doesn't say "if you eat from the trees of knowing good and bad I will kill you." The truth about you becomes known so that you can do something about it. And now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever.”. Okay. The tree of good and bad is a warning about forfeiting what God has already given. How can I grow perfect apples with damaged blossoms?” He rustled his leaves and tried to keep the children away. This why we've shifted from using the word "evil" to the word "bad." Humanity is in an infant state. Jon: It's not a reward for doing good. Tim: That's right. Tim: But usually they are invisible in the moment. Jon Collins Jon: But If we put that then construct onto this narrative of Genesis 2 and 3, I don't know, it feels strange to have a test. Hi I’m Support Bot! Tim: They failed the test. A Tale of Two trees At Mane Chance, we aim to care for our land as much as our animals - only then will we be able to give them the quality of home that they deserve. Tim: The tree of life theme video. The second tree enjoyed the buzzing of the busy little bees. Although the two trees couldn’t talk to each other, a friendship developed between them as they stood day after day together on the peaceful hill. Tim: I don't know what actually happened. It's the tale of two trees. Jon: Can God just be like, "Okay. So knowing good and bad is a phrase used in the Hebrew Bible like three or four times. The second seed also began to push his roots into the ground. It shares lots of similarities to what people mean and how they are and the role they play in the story. Tim: They often do. So these two trees are intertwined. Don't eat from that because you'll die die. Jon: And God doesn't put the tree in some obscure place that's hard to find. So that's a way they're different from the other human in history and in the story. YES! And for some reason in English, and it might be just from like grade school, we often experience tests as prove your worth. The trunk suddenly cracked, causing the tree to fall across the road, crushing a car and killing the parents of two young children who were sitting in the back seat. Seems like "I'm going to test you.". Her eyes sparkled. But what the knowing of good and bad did, especially because they took it in a way that God told them not to take it, the first negative consequence is they realize their otherness from each other. Copy. So the warning about the tree of knowing good and bad is eating from the tree of knowing good and bad will result in forfeiting the thing that is already yours. Romans 6:23 (NLT) 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of … Humans can spread and create more life for the creatures around them. We usually meet right here. The first command it doesn't place the tree of life off- limits, and then if you obey the command, then you get to the tree of life. Tim: Yeah. A Tale of Two Trees. Every good thing in my life is matched by an equal or greater number of opportunities to ruin it by taking my own knowledge of good and bad. –  Tim: God commanded them to eat from all of the trees. Jon: It's something that we can take and experience eternal life. They longed for the rain to come. Tim: But I think it's one that becomes much more clear as you go throughout the story. Facebook. How to Read the Bible: The Books of Solomon, The Tale of Two Trees Together they come to their fullest meaning in Jesus Christ and the tree on which he was crucified. Tim: Strategic. There's wilderness and nothing cultivated, and God plants the garden. So you're doing what you're supposed to do? Tim: Yeah. The Gardner approached the second tree. God also plants many trees there. You might really enjoy being a tree!” She placed him into his bed of earth. So in that sense, the snake was telling the truth. Who told you naked? The word "test" in Hebrew, it's verb nasah. As the morning light chased away the darkness, a young Gardner sat on a quiet hillside gazing down into a valley. And they have a particular kind of symbolism and meaning in the biblical story. In part two (14:00-23:00), Tim and Jon talk about the intertwined relationship of the two trees in the garden. When God shows up and says, "Hey, have you eaten..." He asked them a question. Jon: What could Adam and Eve do about it when their truth about them was exposed? The gift is "eat from all the trees, but the moment you eat from this one, it will ruin everything. The first tree continued working hard making apples. We just come into the world and just gorge on that fruit. Strategic. People would say that's reading the New Testament back into the Old, but I think it's the opposite. The snake's head will be crashed. A Tale of Two Trees. Tim: And this is where I might be pondering the story for the rest of my life. Tim: Yeah, totally. A Tale of Two Trees. Jon: That's a consequence. Jon: You have chosen to gain wisdom on your own terms. Then it exploded as it hit the fuel it needed on a north-facing ridge. Jon: Where they're supposed to go and eat of the tree of life. Tim: Does shrewd have a negative connotation? The second tree accepts himself, which allows him the freedom to experience the world. So the woman saw that the tree was good for eating, one is, hey, I'm hungry, that'll satisfy my desire, but it was also beautiful. It's a gift. Jon: Because you think about like if...let's take children who don't know good from bad. No, here's what God knows. Next week, we're going to continue to talk about trees. The Tree of Knowledge, on the other hand, drives you out from the eternal life with God. “What a neat idea! 58m, –  1 - The Two Men. The tree is a powerful explanation of human experience. There are two trees in the garden, and humanity is presented with a choice: trust God and enjoy his good gifts or take the knowledge of good and bad for themselves. Tim: Arum. Sadly, the first tree never is able to find the sense of peace that self-esteem provides. The first seed pushed his roots deep into the ground. According to “The Parent’s Handbook: Systematic Training for Effective Parenting” by Don Dinkmeyer, encouragement is the most effective tool to foster self-esteem in our children. The first pillar, the art of living consciously, is manifest in the second tree’s ability to feel the cool moist sand his toes and his admiration for the beautiful hillside. They eat from the tree, the first thing they do is mistrust each other and hide their bodies and then blame each other. We're working through a theme in the Bible, and the theme is trees. So to know is to experience life versus death. Genesis 2:15-17 "And you'll be like Elohim knowing good and evil.". Let's get that fruit out of your system and then let's try again.". It's such a rich, multi-layered, little poetic line. That was His command was, "Enjoy it all. Was it a YouTube question and response? Where are you? One spring they each grew several pink blossoms on their small branches. What I want to focus on is the tree moment which we focused on that too on another conversation. And remember this is going to be a motif then that these test moments that biblical characters come before are sometimes between a good choice and a evil choice. So yeah, I walked out of the garden, which was a high place with the trees at the center on top failure. Jon: So the degree that the story is about true innocence coming into wisdom and knowledge by their own terms instead of the way God wanted to, to that degree, yeah, we can't really relate and all the what-ifs kind of become kind of dead ends. It is a famous children’s book that can be read as a basic primer about human beings in relationship to nature. These moments of testing in the Bible are often a choice between something that is good and something that seems good. 12685 Ulmerton Rd, Largo, FL 33774, USA. Just blatant inversion of God's words. I'm from Valdivia, Chile. He said, take life and then all around me I see these branches and this other fruit and it's constantly drawing my eye to it saying like, "well, this is actually looking pretty nice, too. Tea trees will produce leaves during Spring, Summer, and Fall season but not in Winter. The first tree is so concerned with finding external praise that he cannot begin to even comprehend the true benefits of the fruit he has to offer. It's also about me and my failures and how my failures participate in the whole human species failure as far back as we can tell. Will we trust God to give us life, or will we take life for ourselves. The fifth pillar, the art of living purposefully, is evident in the fact that the second tree was able to find happiness by sharing his fruit. Jon: But there will be a seed who will somehow deal with evil. Now Watching: The Tale of Two Trees; Series: Not Forsaken; Messages. We did a whole series on that. And then you get the outbreak of violence which leads to the flood. There's overlap in that the point of testing in biblical Hebrew is to expose the truth about what something really is. Tim: No, no. Something can be done about it. “The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem” by Nathaniel Branden explains the development and effects of self-esteem. From her canteen, she poured some water into each hole to help the seeds start growing. Jon: Another thing is there's something very corruptive about eating of this tree where it's not like God can say, "Hey guys, bad idea. Because that's a good thing to be wise so that you can know good and bad. That was the command. I think there's an element of truth. The second tree thought, “Wow, I’ve never seen anything like this! When I was a new convert--having been brought from spiritual death to spiritual life--one of the things that I distinctly remember seeing with new eyes were trees. They will admire my apples and the Gardner will be proud.”. The point is the serpent sees this is an opportunity. So the first divine command is to enjoy the gift of eternal life. “My Apples will be small and bitter if I don’t get water,” complained the first tree. The second tree saw peace and happiness in the Gardner’s eyes. There's trees that are good to look at, there's trees for food, and then in the middle of the garden... Tim: ...with one river flowing out and then flowing down to become the four rivers that water all the corners of the earth so to speak. That is true. Gary Basheers [SP], one of my theological mentors, many years ago, he first pointed this out to me. That choice is done almost unconsciously. It's the gift of life. But he's just living out of impulses. Tim: I see. It feels not a test I would want give anyone. The third pillar, the art of being self-responsible, is exemplified when the trees need water. Dad planted a tree in the front yard and I just knew that in no time it would grow tall and strong enough for my tree house. Tim: Yeah. She took one from the pouch. It's time for a walk. God wants His people to have the knowledge of the right thing and the wrong thing, but it has to do with listening to God's voice first and foremost. And true to Biblical theology style, the way that biblical authors work then, what they're going to do is put all the key characters in the stories to follow at moments where they're at literal and symbolic high places with trees, facing their own tests. Jon: God wants to rule with us, we're incapable of doing it, we've failed the test. So to not no good and bad also means I've never had anything bad happen to me. When the man and woman eat from the tree, their eyes are opened to their vulnerability, and they hide. I first heard about The Bible Project as a YouTube recommendation, and then I hooked on it. In addition, he is not locked into producing and giving out of a need for external gratification. The first tree, relieved, smiled and stood tall. We have a tree and hedgerow planting programme running at the Sanctuary. I use The Bible Project as part of my teaching projects and with the youth conference that I'm also participating on. When it comes right down to it, this is a tale of two trees. I'm going to know what is good and what is bad, what kind of things will build up and what kind of things will destroy. I like that. And those choices could affect your friend - maybe what you do with the money may split up resources or how you apportion vacation time off. I also like that by lumping it with all the other trees you can eat from, it kind of helps me think about it more as a daily thing. At the end of the story, see information regarding the self-esteem and parenting philosophies used in the story. Praise often misleads children into thinking they must perform for acceptance. But then you get into situations and you have some choices to make. Like we take that just naturally. So in Psalm 1, you can be a tree planted by streams of water. On the first pages of the Bible, God places humans in a lush garden to rule with him. Tim: So getting back to the wording here, first command is "from all the trees of the garden you may eat eat but from the tree of knowing good and bad you shall not eat because in the day you eat from that tree you will die die.". Another tree is found in the middle of the garden, the tree of knowing good and bad. I’m so proud of you. Yay for eBooks! I make what I think is the right decision, but I don’t recognize all these screwed up motives underneath it. Then the Lord God took the human and put him into the garden of Eden to work it and keep it. He wants them to rule. Tim: In theological lingo, it'd be total depravity but in a sociological way, and the way the biblical narrative works, each generation inherits not of their own asking, they inherit the mess that their parents created and it predisposes them to fail in same way and in more grievous way. Because the first question Got ask is, "Where are you guys? That helps me understand how I keep failing my test. Tim: Correct. “I’m sure glad my apples are enjoyed by everyone,” he said to himself. Jon: Yeah, tie video will be about the tree by tree of life. “My friend is amazing,” he admired. And so the question is, how are you going to get wisdom? Here we go. Tim: It's an image of the human condition. I love it. “Wow” admired the second tree. And what the man says is he blames the woman. 1hr 20m, –  The second tree is not burdened with conditions but is encouraged to “enjoy being a tree,” which fertilizes the self-esteem of the second tree. And so he exiles them from the garden. Tim: That's right. They expose the truth of what I really know so that I can make up for it and keep learning. I want to be wise. So I will take what I want. It's so important to me. Jon: I guess the other interesting thing is that it's about the knowledge of good and bad, not like a specific moral choice. I desire that, and that will give it to me. That's not how it presents itself to us, right? I don't have to earn eternal life, it's already a gift to me, but I can forfeit my chance and access to it by choosing my own knowing of good and bad. 53m, –  This is going to be illuminated by what happens especially at Mount Sinai, where you're going to have Israel at another Eden high place where their representative Moses is meeting God up on the top by a tree, the bush... Jon: But is there some sort of then conversation you said about there was a chance for repentance? The first tree requires praise from the Gardner for his sense of purpose. There's actually a long-standing conversation going back to second temple Jewish literature about if Adam and Eve blew a chance to repent. Tim: If you just go through the Abraham stories in Genesis 12 to the end of his life in chapter 25, and get a green marker and a brown marker and highlight trees and mountains, they're everywhere. That's a good thing. But often it is between a good choice and "Well, that seems like a good choice too, but, well, it might hurt somebody or..." But it's usually between good and I think that's good too. All decked out for the holidays. Then you watch two brothers divide, and then one kills the other. Tim: They're both there. But indulge me for a second. We remember that there were trees in the garden of God, trees that God himself planted. Podcast Date: January 20, 2020 (50:09) They were destroyed by the evil beings Ungoliant and Melkor, but their last flower and fruit were made into the Moon and the Sun. But then another layer of it is, we've talked about, I think, in a different series, I think in our most recent wisdom series, where it is a state of moral infancy. One summer night, a fierce storm raged through the sleeping valley. The second tree realizes that it has much more to offer than just fruit. I don't want you to die die. It means responsibly making moral decisions and being responsible for them, which is a good thing. But usually, we just highlight the negative nature of the test. That's why it's right next to the tree of life. This choice between life and death is played out in Genesis 3 with Adam and Eve and in Genesis 4 with Cain and Abel. This is a perfect place for me!”. He loved the feeling of the cool moist soil as he stretched down into the earth. Tim: Well, yes, correct. This passage introduces the snake as shrewd—one who is able to use their knowledge for good or terrible ends. And that meaning is introduced in Genesis 1 and 2 where trees are a real focal point. Jon: So as people have thought about that, what do they think... “Wow!” exclaimed the first little tree. Tim: Oh, right, right, right. Tim: Yeah, but specifically in a situation I can identify all the factors find the solution forward and act on it. That's the way these trees relate to each other. Jon: God plants the garden. Jon: And where this really landed for me was making the connection between Eden and the temple which is a whole nother conversation, but there is a parallel direct parallel between river at Eden and the tree in the middle of the garden to the temple and the Holy of Holies in the middle of the temple. Tim: Yeah. “That was on of the best days I ever had!” he said at sundown. It's narrating the story in such a way that every human finds their own life experience within these representative characters. And this has bugged me and a lot of people. The permanently corrosive effects of taking from the tree are illuminated further at Mount Sinai, when Moses meets God at a tree (the burning bush) on a high place and receives God’s commands. Tim: How you relate to one determines how you relate to the other kind of thing. That's the image here. The first tree is not living with open senses to the world around, but instead is more concerned with his need to search for external acceptance. My thought is, "Yeah, that really does help explain the human condition. That's a whole nother conversation. The second tree, however, finds happiness from within, and demonstrates Dr. Branden’s requirements for true self-esteem. Think of it this way. And what's the difference between a 2- year-old a 12-year-old? And used it for making the point that the use of the word "arum" is not negative. They're different. Avoid it. 37m, –  This is about two tall, dead trees. Trees and people both carry the possibility of perpetual life within themselves, which is why trees are often depicted as symbols of life in the ancient Near East. Jon: At this point in the narrative you're kind of like, "Uh." It's a pass-fail test and the consequences are pretty massive. Two trees. Tim: The woman's quick on that. Jon: The burning bush. 1hr 8m, –  I think that will be a pretty, sweet smelling necklace.”. I was wrong. He does been around the block. Tim: Game over. Tim: Because the author can assume that a cultural understanding that, okay, in biblical faith that God isn't a tree, but the tree is a place where humans meet God because it's in the middle of the garden. This is a way you and I talked this through actually a while ago but we were saving it for this conversation. That's what he says in Psalm 51. Trees that are good for food, trees that are good to look at, and one beautiful cosmic tree at the center of the garden that represents God's own life - the tree of life. Jon: So tricking ourselves into thinking we can know good from wrong but in reality we are unable to. And the middle of the garden as the Holy of holies - the throne of God. The second tree held tightly while they took turns swinging out over the valley. Tim: It's "surely die" but in Hebrew, it's die die. Two books about trees pretty much tell the story of why we’re in the mess we’re in. It's beautiful. Later that day, the villagers came to see the two trees. Let me tell you what God knows because I've heard Him talk about it." It looks awesome but I'm going to avoid it so that I can keep enjoying access to life. Jon: I mean, kind of you're going back and forth between referring to it as a test and referring to it as just kind of the human condition. This isn't a warning. I start redefining it as good and I don't even know that I'm beginning to slight another person and neglect their wellbeing as much as I care about mine. Jon: And even that, we talked about last episode, I see is like a mercy. Yeah, brightening of eyes. No, no, no. Will they disobey? The trees are an image of the human condition; eternal life is a gift available to us, but in order to receive it, we have to refuse to live by our own wisdom. Tim: They're not inheriting somebody else's mess not ahead of them. Jon: It's the ability to be able to creatively use wisdom? But I trust that there is a seed coming who will undo what has been done. There are some things to note: both trees were deliberately unguarded because God intended to give humans the gift of the knowledge of good and evil, good and evil is God’s most important principle, hence the Tree which leads to the Tree of Life – further proof of the importance of good and evil is: righteousness of Abraham, the violence and evil of the Biblical Flood generation of humans, the … The second tree watched a hungry little boy trying to pick an apple that was just out of his reach. He puts it right in the middle of the garden right next to the tree of life. To point us back to this moment, future biblical authors will put key characters at moments of testing by trees on high places. Respond to the test. The Bible introduces us to a garden filled with trees on a high place. Who knows. Jon: And what am I supposed to be thinking about what actually happened? They came from an apple tree that had given fruit and cool shade to her family for many years. We're going to talk about a couple of the main characters in the Old Testament narrative and their relationship with trees, Noah, and Abraham. And we talked about how picture of a tree of life was a very common image for the imaginative palette, as you will, of the ancient Near East neighboring stories. Tim: If I was like Abraham in that one moment when he did nothing but looked up in the sky and just trusted God, that was when he passed the test. One hot, hot summer, the trees were thirsty. Damage from the recent storm in Bronxville, photo by Sandy Hesselbacher. “The children have eaten most of my apples and now she won’t be proud of me.” His leaves twitched nervously. The mistaken belief that peace will come externally forces him to try harder and harder for more acceptance, I am an artist and I live in Dallas Tx. Yeah, we try and blame God for putting a choice in front of the humans. “You sure work hard,” he told them. You're not here. So he inverts the gift. The tree in the centre forecourt was planted using the Stratacell™ suspended pavement system while the two trees near the sidewalk were planted in … Genesis 3:22 It does not say that. “You are certainly loved and admired by all of us,” she told him. As she reached the top of the hillside, she smiled at the two apple trees. Jon: The pattern is being in front of a tree, and having a choice of how you're going to find wisdom. ", Jon: But then God says, "You can't eat of the tree because now you know good from the bad because you are like me. The serpent inverts the words of God, and the woman sees, desires, and takes from the tree of knowing good and bad. And that's where the what-ifs become unhelpful because they're interesting. “The Gardner must see them.” He lifted his branches high keeping them from the villagers. We can eat from the fruit the trees of the garden but there's one tree in the middle where God said, 'Don't eat from it or touch it or you will die die. Fear is on the Mic. "What did you do?". At the end of this segment, Tim and Jon discuss the question of whether Adam and Eve missed a chance to repent in the garden. But then you also said, which is really interesting, we need some sort of new mode of being human. So the humans, they still are kind of childish in their ability to know good from bad. Every good thing in my life is also matched by an equal or greater number of opportunities to ruin it. They were excited! The mighty second tree was cut down. The children loved to climb and play in the two apple trees. “I have a headache,” groaned the second tree. Jon: On page two of the Bible, God plants humanity in the garden. Trees don't even need to be watered! She placed him into the earth and covered him with a warm blanket of soil. Tim: The reason that the tree is there in the garden, it's a powerful image of the nature of all human experience. No. That's one. Tim: Meet with God and ingest His divine life. 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