(Gaggia Classic) I swear this is the last question I will ask today lol. You should see a strange number when the PID first powers on, then after about 3-5 seconds it should switch to the temperature reading from the thermocouple. Each segmentcan be set by the user with 0.1 seconds resolution. Please see the compatible model list below (Note 1 on the bottom). Hi Chris, I am gathering / ordering the parts specified and was surprised to find out the price for 3d printing price spiked. GAGGIA CLASSIC - MODDED. The solution is PID control via means of an industrial temperature controller; this is a common modification amongst the Gaggia and Rancillio community. This prompted me to look for alternate solutions. Close the PID enclosure, and attach it to the side of the Classic. There are other resources online as well. These wires will be connected to the solid state relay later on, so they no longer need to be in the bottom of the machine. This is a Used Black Appliances for Sale in Fairlawn OH posted on Oodle Classifieds. For questions, please contact us. Not sure why that was the case. Hey Chris, Im wanting to put the pid into an extended 3d printed driptray. Replies: 2 Views: 1,615. I have to turn the set point on the PID down to about 85C to stop it boiling and getting steam and a great deal of sputter out of the portafilter. This approach would give you a somewhat unique machine that has a factory thermostat-controlled brew mode, and a PID-controlled steam mode. Does this happen even if you let the machine sit in steam mode and dont open the steam valve?. Is there a way to tap into +/- 12Volts inside the GCP? The SSR is just a fancy switch and it should only be turning on and off, so depending on how you measure you may not see current. Hi Evan. Is it possible to do this with the GC factory temp sensor? It would also be a bit of a weird machine, but this approach wouldnt require any mods or re-setting of temperatures to use the machine to brew. I did that exercise before installing the PID, behavior should be identical as that time. I know what I will be trying tomorrow , Hi, Or do you think the same set will work with QB-T7100? I am flattered, but will have to pass. Home; Search; Log in; Sign up; Updates: Click here to visit our store! Hi Brian. You effectively would have two steam modes, one PID-controlled that replaces the brew mode, and one classic thermostat-controlled steam mode. Ill be using a xmt7100 (modified) for two SRRs and also tweaked for 12v out for led mod any help would be appreciated. Our provided installation manual is based on the Gaggia Classic 2016 (model# RI9403/11). Is it possible, despite setting the temperature to 102 degrees Celsius as SV, to actually run GCP much hotter due to incompatibility of the PID and RTD? Neutral is the return path for the hot or load wire. I found this M8 female to M4 male reducer: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284317077676. Hi Chris New to the forums, but I've been experimenting with espresso at home over the last year when my brother gifted me a used Gaggia Classic with an Auber PID. After autotuning, my values are: I have couple of concerns with this setup and would like to kindly ask for your opinion: 1. Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. Update:This kit is compatible with the latestGaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the regular version (RI9380, 120V, or 240V) and the European version (RI9480, 240V). The default target temperature on the PID will almost certainly not be correct. One end of the wire should be a male disconnect connector, and the other end should be a spade connector. 1. The thermocouple that I ordered fit into the threaded adapter without any modifications. We bring fresh high-quality coffee to the masses. The PID will show the temperature, and be somewhat confused by its inability to reach its setpoint, however the PID is bypassed in the same way when the GCP is in steam mode. The C-100 that I received was set up properly, I only had to change the temperature. Let me know your thoughts !!! Fast, Free Shipping. Update:This kit is compatible with the latestGaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the regular model (RI9380, 120V or 240V) and the European model(RI9480, 240V). The idea of the chassis becoming live doesnt bear thinking about. I should pointed out that the temperature ranges I was referring to were with the -8C offset on the PID. Hi Eddie. Perfect, came back here to ask this question! I am thinking to upgrade my classic pro more compact version with below controller. See here for details. For me I start steaming when the boiler temperature reads 130 degrees C. So for others who are contemplating going for the extra effort of installing the steam PID, know that the return on investment of doing this is questionable, if not net negative. At a minimum, I think you would need the following: I dont see piggyback connectors on Mr Shades list, maybe those are part of the set of wires, but its not clear. If you are in the U.S. then mains voltage is 120V, which will not kill you (unless you have a pacemaker or are standing in a bathtub) but can give you a decent shock. My problem is that since installing the mod, my machine gets way too hot and boils. Basically, instead of running the pump for a few seconds and then shutting it off (which dumps your pressure courtesy of the solenoid valve) you open the steam valve about 1/4 to half way, hit the brew switch and then slowly close the steam valve (about 5 seconds or so). shades uses 2 connecting one ssr thru the other for steam. Ill try to get a new thermostat from a reputable place, see if that solves the problem, and if it remains then something else in the machine is wrong. The sensor has three wires: 1 x red and 2 x white. This kit has a pre-infusion timer. New - Gaggia Classic Pro/2019 PID kit - 1/32DIN single display $135.30 SHIPPING: We load new stock of PIDs on a Sunday, and they sell out very quickly (often within a few hours). But nothing prevents you from using the PID and thermocouple as a temperature indicator. Glad you got that sorted out. Hello Chris, Display: Dual display for Fahrenheit(F) and Celsius(C) A copy of the digital manuals, which includes a detailed installation guide, an operation manual, and supplementary documents. Gaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, How to Download Manuals for Login-Required Kits, Temperature Controller for Weber Smokey Mountain/ Akorn, PID KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home w/ pre-infusion, Automobile Multimeter for EGT, Boost, Red, Universal 1/32 DIN PID Temperature Controller. Im tempted to return the GC because I never used it prior to the mod and it may have been a pre-existing issue. My experience, and that of others including a commenter on this article, is that I would not want to go lower than 103 on the Gaggia Classic. The REX-C100 should work out of the box, set for heating mode, with alarms disabled, and units set to Celsius. Contrary to the Gaggia circuit diagram, Black is live, White is neutral, a minor issue. Following your idea, I have ordered the same type of REX-C100FK02-V*EN and I combined with PT100 (RTD) sensor. I used lamp cord for this. I used P:2,4 I:40 D:10 and Souf:0.2 which gives a shot stability around 2 degrees for single, 4 degrees for double shots. GAGGIA Classic 2021 550.00 , : PID KIT 129.17 , Top Box 35.00, OPV KIT . But I wondered if anyone has had the same problem and already found the answer! Do not over-tighten the adapter, it only needs to be finger-tight. Sign up for emails. I found that carefully pushing the boiler up gives better access to the thermostat, either from above, or by reaching up from below. Maybe then try QB-T7100 afterwards and if it works I will buy the external case which is sold seperately (QB looks nicer with small size and external case). Gaggia Babila. That being said, the original brew thermostat is supposed to be 107C, so could perhaps reach even higher temperatures? Hi, I just completed the DIY kit last night using your guide and it all went perfectly! I adjusted the calibration offset on the PID +5.5 degrees to read 212 degrees.Have you any suggestions of more accurately calibrating the PID and TC? When the steam switch is turned on, the on/off temperature of the heater is controlled to 1 degree (F or C) difference as compared with the original thermostat's >10C (or 20F) difference. PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic European Model RI9403 [KIT-GGX-EU] Auber Instruments, Temperature control solutions for home and industry. For espresso, 9 bars is the generally preferred pressure. There is definitely something weird going on. excluding VAT. It is still showing the M4 screw as the Crossed out/wrong one, and can be a bit confusing. The same can be done with the REX C100 but you need one with all 8 screw terminals (the second SSR for steam uses the alarm function which needs terminals #6 and #7) and these two are missing on some REXs. Started by Rocky47, June 28, 2019, 01:16:33 PM. Its no secret that the chassis of the Classic has extremely sharp edges. The 103 is not a true 103, that is what is getting measured in the boiler wall, and there is also a temperature drop off between the boiler and the portafilter, so your final espresso temperature will be lower. When I got my C100 the thermocouple was M6, i ended up buying an m4 brass bolt drilling it out, and inserting the thermo with some glue and heatshrink on it and it works like magic added some thermal paste. Thus, it will significantly improve the taste and consistency of your espresso. It will void your warranty, the possibility for making errors or breaking things during installation is too high, and the amount of time it takes would make it cost prohibitive. I dont want to void my warranty. LED display color. UNBLOCKING. No extra button is needed to press for frothing. Please contact us if any questions. I double checked all the wiring (inside and outside of the chassis) and eventually came to the conclusion that I had a faulty PID. Hi Chris or anyone who may know the answer! My next thought was that the controller wasnt reading the correct temperature. (The Gaggia machine is not included in this listing). You wont need the heat sink, the GCs case does that job for you. It looks like your GC is in steam mode. that will make it where only one SSR is needed. The kit installation is fully reversible. I got the white plastic in one of the stock connectors a bit burned, the plastic looks brown in some areas and a bit melted. 5. The PID itself draws very little current, so something like 18 gauge lamp cord would work. it works better than poor mans preinfusion described by wholelatte love & Lance in the youtube. Ive set the Sn value to pt for the PT100. When I started steaming at that point thermostat never shut down the boiler because temperature did not reach to limit of thermostat. If the wiring in your machine is different from our installation guide, please contact us. This morning I pulled my first shot with the PID. Also, the PID generates almost no heat, because the work is done by the SSR, and this is heat-sinked to the Gaggia. I used the same controller ( XMT 7100 ) which Mr Shades is selling. Do you observe the same temperature ranges? Users can also bypass the timer to use the switch on the machine for manually controlling the brewing process. Auber Forum PID Kits for Coffee Machines PID Kits for Gaggia; Poll Moved Topic. Applications Leave the Classic powered on for at least 15 minutes. Otherwise, it all works properly now. Run two 12 volt wires from the + and terminals of the solid state relay and out the back of the Classic, again using the same slot. If you have a 12v pid could you do everything as you have done except the mains wiring and instead wire the pid directly to an old phone wall charger for power? However, when I flip the gaggia power switch to off, the PID LCD screen remains illuminated. Is this typical? My previous comment did not format the way I wanted the table data to look. ), Basicknowledge of electronics wiring and safety. The biggest problem was the fact that the brew water control did not work: the SSR was never switched on by the thermocouple output. With a SV of 103C (not offset), during initial overshoot the heater would sometimes be one when it was at 104-105C with the temperature rising as high as 108. I guess I could revert the machine and see what I get. Thanks in advance! You could simulate pre infusion by briefly running the pump. Have you gone through the (three) menus on the pid , using the instructions of your pid. Silver case Black case TopBox with logo TopBox with gauge hole. Ive followed these instructions and installed the mod using the REX-C100, SSR, K-type thermocouple and brass adapter linked in Chris excellent writeup (Thank you Chris). Is this a typo on your part or a mistake on their part? That would be easy enough to verify with a multimeter, to see which thermostat is active in steam mode and which one is active in brew mode. Adding pre-infusion would require either a different and significantly more sophisticated PID, or integration with something like a microcontroller. Steam will still be controlled by the steam thermostat. When the PID signals the SSR, as indicated by the brew ready light and the output led on the PID, the pressure coming out of the pump decreases, and then increases again after the PID out to the SSR turns off. Double sided tape will work. An extended de-bugging solved the problem: the PID 12v circuit output was reversed, so changing + to solved the problem. Hi David. The required parts are a PID controller, a solid state relay (SSR) preferably rated for 40 amps, a K-type thermocouple, a thermocouple adapter to connect the thermocouple to the Gaggia boiler, wire rated for mains voltages as well as some smaller gauge 12 volt wire, male and female quick disconnect connectors, spade connectors, and two piggyback spade connectors. Also, the diagram of the controller lists SSR to connects to terminals 9 & 10. Attach the solid state relay to the inside back wall of the Classic, using a small bolt and nut. Was hoping to actually just install one of these: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/264849127538 The best simple info I found was a table that summarized what INCREASING each of the PID parameters would do: which I used to adjust my settings. To set the target temperature, press the Set button on the front of the panel. Guys, there is mains voltage here. [KIT-GG] Auber Instruments, Temperature control solutions for. The PID, RTD sensor and SSR (20 Amps) are installed on Gaggia Classic Pro 2018+. But follow chriss advice and be careful and you should be OK. And also use a rubber grommet to route your wires through the slots in the back of the chassis. Good idea Chris. Ive seen the steaming power on the classic remains solid from 125C and up, anything below that results in mediocre steaming power, which makes me wonder if I just have an aftermarket part that shouldnt be on this machine, or is just signs of imminent failure. Use the other probe to check the other two wires coming from the power socket. Shall I change the P,I and D parameters manually and what is your suggestion to start with? Do you have any diagram of the wiringi cant understand how to switch on the steam circuit so the second SSR would not try to heat the boiler in parallel. Thanks again for the write up, Ill be playing around with temperature for the next week! 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